THE BOSS IS BACK, yeah right, another scam
In Dec. 2005, the below writer, Roger Gorringe, interviewed John Force about such as his future plans in NHRA FUNNY CAR racing. You may or may not be aware that every FC race Force ever won, his car was powered by a CHRYSLER HEMI® motor.
Although he did not do so while he was driving the GM bodied cars, when he switched to Ford bodies he began his implications that his car was /is powered by a Ford motor as in the below:
Here's a direct quote from John: "For all the cutting-edge, next-generation vehicles there's no place else like the LA Auto Show," Force said. "There, we can show just how much muscle Ford packs into the 7,000-horsepower Castrol GTX Ford Mustang Funny Car engine. Since 1997, Ford has been an essential part of John Force Racing. I am pleased and honored that we can bring my hot rod to the LA Auto Show and highlight Ford Racing's success and also show off a creative King of the Hill paint scheme."
But John, it is a CHRYSLER, not FORD, engine.
The below excerpt is taken from about 75% down in this link: http://www.eurodragster.com/news/john_force.asp
Roger Gorringe: Your plans for 2006, I guess it's to recapture the title?John Force: We're in the development to build an all-Ford motor, NHRA-spec motor. We've been given the equipment by a company called Facial, Fadal Machinery Giddings and Lewis. it's a worldwide corporation that will take us into the market. We've got a big machine shop in LA. We build our own blowers, our own heads, clutches, but now we're gonna build the block. Because we want an all-Ford motor and yet we have to fit underneath the NHRA….this won't be a Chrysler design, everything evolved from the Chrysler. This will be a Ford spec motor by our brain trust, it's an exciting new time to grow because the financing's there, because who can afford to go out and buy ten million dollars worth of equipment to build machinery? I went after a sponsorship six years ago, I said I'll supply the money for the suppliers to buy the manpower, and they'll work with us with technology, and Fadal Giddings and Lewis will supply the equipment, that's two huge companies worldwide. And Ford's really into It.
OK, let us fast forward to late '06 to early '07 and lookee, the much anticipated, new FORD nitro engine is alive, well almost. Does anyone recall some 35-40 years ago when Ford made their last venture into nitro racing; what a disaster, if they didn't explode on the starting line, odds are they would near the end of the quarter mile. In the several years of hired gun drivers, and they were about the best of that era, they won a total of 4 races before throwing in the towel.
Here's the link for the below pictures: http://www.dragracingonline.com/agent13 ... _1-43.html
SPY FOTOS OF JOHN FORCE TOP FUEL FORD MOTOR While on a visit to the John Force shops in Southern California the Agent saw the block and heads shown in these photos and casually asked if these were the prototypes for the Ford engine that John Force Racing is developing for Ford Motor Company. The tour guide answered in the affirmative so the Agent snapped a few images with his trusty, small, spy camera. During a Q&A today Force repeated the claim that he plans to have the first working version of the new engine ready by June. [01/30/07]
Here's where the big, BOSS news really starts, and from the real horse's mouth. This is an excerpt from the biggest of the big wheels of Ford Racing.
The Ford BOSS 500 Nitro Drag Racing Engine:Racing enthusiasts know that the true heart of a race car is its engine - and Davis wants to make sure that the "heart" that powers NHRA Funny Car Mustangs of John Force Racing is pumping "blue" blood in the future.Davis and John Medlen of John Force Racing challenged themselves to develop the new Ford BOSS 500, the first modern nitro engine for drag racing. The BOSS 500 was tested on-track for the first time on Oct. 18 and was unveiled for media today."We wanted to be in NHRA Funny Car with an engine that we really could call all our own," Davis said. "I wanted people to see a Ford Mustang race car and know that it's winning races with true Ford power."Davis and Medlen looked at the current nitro engine, discussed where they felt it had weaknesses, and decided to design and build a new engine to address them.The BOSS 500 is the first nitro drag racing motor designed with analytical tools. It has a strengthened block for better durability and new cylinder heads developed by Ford and Force engineers. The basic design will favor areas such as the main caps register and the main webs in the block. Its engine block also is anodized blue after machining, helping ensure fans and competitors alike know when they're seeing a Ford nitro engine under the hood.Most of the external surface areas on the new 500-cubic-inch engine have been redesigned; a new belly pan was designed for better sealing; and the valve covers purposely call back the old Ford BOSS motors. The engine also features Ford main bearings with actual parts numbers in the Ford performance catalog.We had three things in mind when we set out on this project," Davis said. "First, for marketing purposes, we wanted to say that we were putting reality behind the term 'Powered by Ford.'"Second, on the technical side, we have always helped out with aero, chassis development and now safety, but we always stopped short of the engine. This project has been a technical exercise for our engineers and the Force team to take the current motor, redesign it and make it a Ford."Finally, we want fans to associate this engine with Ford and Force, but we also know this provides a new revenue opportunity for us," Davis added. "In Funny Car, the plan is for this to be a John Force Racing-exclusive engine at the start, but we do want to be able to sell it to Top Fuel teams for competition in the near future."
Davis said that the current plan is for new Force Mustang driver Mike Neff to use the Ford BOSS 500 engine full-time in 2008 as it goes through its development phase. The other Force Mustang drivers - John Force, Ashley Force and Robert Hight - will use the engine after it has been further developed.
Ford and Force Racing also are investigating a team to be the first development operation in Top Fuel, with a measured, commercial rollout to more competitors after it has gone through a prove-out stage in that division.
OK, here's the link where the above can be found: http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_ ... ease=27129
On 3/28/08 I attended the NHRA Houston, TX event to see a day of time trials and get my semi-annual fill of nitro fumes and hear the thundering roar of 8000 or so Horsepower engines. While there I had a chance to see and take pictures of the the FORD (warmed over Chrysler) engine and have a little conversation with Mike Neff, driver of the aforementioned car.
I asked Mike, "Is it really a Ford or is it a warmed over Chrysler"? Mike replied, "It really is a Ford". I then asked Mike, "Is it a "push rod hemi"? Mike replied, "Yes". I said, "Then it really is a Chrysler wearing a Ford badge". He then replied, "Well, it has got Ford main bearings".
OK, I have a couple of pictures which show the cylinder head is a true HEMI, plus a shot of the very unique style HEMI rocker arms which by the way first appeared in 1951 Chrysler.
Neither of the two above pictures reveal anything remotely near the design of any engine ever built by Ford or any automotive manufacturer except Chrysler.
It seems that Force/Ford want to "hang their hats" on only the engine main bearings in order to claim it is a Ford design and this brings to mind how that years ago a main/rod bearing oiling problem was solved as noted in the following excerpt and link.From the start, Pete struggled with oiling system problems with the little Ford motors. The Ford, of course, was a purely passenger car based design and was never engineered to handle the kind of power output (supercharged, on gas or nitro/alcohol) that Pete's modifications produced. The result was a serious "appetite" for main and rod bearings, this problem being severely accelerated when Pete ran on fuel. (Hardly a big surprise!) He finally solved those problems by enlarging the entire oiling system, rerouting more oil to the mains and rods, and building his own large-volume, high-pressure oil pump.Ironically, when Pete went to the new SOHC 427 Ford "Cammer" he ran into more oil system problems, as did all the Ford Cammer racers who ran blown motors. (The injected nitro motors seemed to survive with only moderate maintenance) This caused considerable grief (Kalitta destroyed "truck loads" of SOHC 427's in the early days of running the Fords!), and Pete spent a considerable amount of time "bottom-end diving" to replace mains and rods that were "one-pass wonders."The final cure for all those woes was the adaptation of the basic oiling system developed (also by much blood, sweat and burned bearings!) by Chrysler for the then-new 426 "Late Model" hemi motors. Ford guys also found their parts problems eased because they went to Chrysler style/size bearings and the Chrysler oiling systems.http://www.draglist.com/hill/pete%20robinson.htm
You might wonder why I chose to name this little story, "THE BOSS IS BACK". While I was at the Houston race, sitting in the stands, some kid comes up, sits right in front of me and he has on a new T-shirt with written on the back, "THE BOSS IS BACK".